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yeloson ([personal profile] yeloson) wrote2010-02-04 08:18 am
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Apparently we're all ninjas, because you can't see us

Reading up on the first reviews on some roughs of Avatar the Last Airbender movie, and aside from the not too great reviews of the acting, this stood out to me:

The action scenes work pretty well, but only one really stood out for me at this time, which takes place in an ancient airbender temple and had some nice set pieces. Plus it was fun to watch Noah Ringer’s double (a woman with a shaved head) performing the fight scenes – they hadn’t gotten around to doing a face replacement yet.

I do remember when they first started talking about casting, they were talking about how much training they were giving the actors, and how impressive their movement had gotten.

But I'm sure it's all because it's SO IMPOSSIBLE TO FIND ASIAN ACTORS WHO DO MARTIAL ARTS:

(skip to 6:30 for the beatdown)



Seriously, when I'm stupid rich, I'm going to make a movie about hockey filled with anyone but white people, because it's so fucking hard to find white actors. (Huh, a Thai hockey movie with Tony Jaa would be kinda awesome. Though skate blades and Muay Thai kicks would make it really, really bloody...)

(ETA: Also, they screened it at Arizona? Really?)
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[personal profile] willow 2010-02-04 05:48 pm (UTC)(link)
I was totally squeeing about Superwoman from The Heroic Trio. I need to remember her name. But I skipped to the beat down and gleed at the kids!

Now. Do I seriously want to read what's happening at Ain't It Cool?
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[personal profile] willow 2010-02-04 06:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Looked at it. All I can think is if they ended up using stunt doubles - it must be because the kid who was supposedly so great at the exact style of martial arts needed, never got any better than the horrible teaser.

Sokka's also more than comic relief. He's 1/2 of the team's HEART while being 'The Plans Guy'. Rathbone's a teen throb, not a comic with good timing, yes? Being goofy but smart would totally go against the point of having him there to take off his shirt and bring in the hypersexualized tweens and teens. So 'broad acting' is vague indeed.

But I do end up thinking that people who miss the point go to the movies to shut off their brains and do the same when they watch tv; thus not understanding critical viewing with appreciation for all the cultural nods and references.

I saw a comment with a title claiming it was nothing but a Naruto ripoff. Daily I am reintroduced to how much certain people just. don't. know. And refuse to learn. An Asian fantasy with a focus on the power of the elements as part of martial arts training is a Naruto ripoff?

Seriously?

That's meant to be an original thought?
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[personal profile] willow 2010-02-04 06:19 pm (UTC)(link)
It seemed more like someone too clueless to recognize that Asian Martial Arts already refer to the elements and nature and that's been played up in every Hong Kong and Kung Fu flick I've ever seen.

Silver Hawk beats HER bad guy by remembering HER water style. And that's a straight up superhero flick.

It's seriously getting annoying to me, that areas in which I think of myself as less knowledgeable than a newbie (perhaps dedicated newbie) end up being areas where I'm a fricking Librarian compared to those who don't bother to know anything outside their own experience.

Quinton Terrantino cannot be the only American to sit down and watch Shaw Brothers movies on a Sat afternoon, can he?
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[personal profile] willow 2010-02-04 06:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Look, I adore me some Tommy Oliver and I liked Power Rangers In Space - > Lost Galaxy (- Bulk & Skull). But not once did I ever think of them as uniquely American. They were American versions of a Japanese Phenomenon.

But, you're not wrong. Nothing's real unless it is being focused through the lens of White Male Westerness; usually American. People keep wondering why the US keeps remaking European & Hong Kong movies. But the people wondering, are individuals who are able to recognize that the remakes are remakes.

Everyone else will NOT be wondering why Akira is called Akira, while being set in the States, with Leo DiCaprio and no doubt a nod to Islamphobia for relevance.

I honestly didn't recognize it all as co-option, and yet things have changed from the Japanphobia of the 80's (I include the sudden love of sushi into the phobia, attraction can sprout from fear) into an absence of acknowledgement that Asia exists at all outside of sweatshops and manga.

Toshiba, SONY and Panosonic are American Brands now.

And suddenly DC and Marvel's ventures into manga-nizing & anime-izing some of their properties takes on some shades of imperialism and colonialism that I totally missed.

Re: Jet Li and Tony Jaa - It explains why I felt so alone in thinking The Forbidden Kingdom being in English and having a white kid knocking about was absolutely the wrong place for Jet Li and Jackie Chan to meet on screen. I want to see those I consider Bruce Lee's cinematic Heirs to meet in a Hong Kong flick.
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Oh Crap!

[personal profile] willow 2010-02-04 06:09 pm (UTC)(link)
I finally got the 'Punching A Fish To Death' reference.

Sweet Memphis!

I -cried- when I saw that in the animated series. It was incredibly emotional and truly showed EVIL. That is NOT a scene that should illicit laughs or confusions. It should hit in the gut just like American fans react when Superman gets punched with kryptonite!
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Re:What Me Bitter?

[personal profile] willow 2010-02-04 06:27 pm (UTC)(link)
And then if you have some knowledge, you get hit with the Meta; he darkens their lives. It's Stolen Generations and Sterilization and various Experiments and other Crimes of Colonization - destroying their tie to their ancestors and their future. to a large part of how they define themselves.

Yeah.

There are SO many reasons I love love love the animated series.

It is -not- just 'punching a fish to death'. It's a VIOLENT VIOLATION.

Though maybe it needed Mel Gibson directing an actor with a whip to get the proper impact.
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[personal profile] delfinnium 2010-02-04 05:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh man, My Father is a Hero. I LOVE that movie! *hugs the kid* And Anita Mui is so. Damn. Awesome.

I watched it in Mandarin dub - it's so odd to listen to them speak Mandarin in the mainland and Mui speak cantonese to the kid, and then when they're all on HK they speak Cantonese! Langauge switching, it is awesome!

>.>

I am completely not wanting to know about Avatar the Airbender, because it's too depressing and rage inducing.

Arizona. god.
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[personal profile] willow 2010-02-04 06:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Y'think maybe the producers were hoping to find a place that DEFINITELY would lessen the odds of any random Asian audience member ending up seeing their showing?
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[personal profile] delfinnium 2010-02-04 08:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh My. Why Would You Think That? It's not like there're Asians in Arizona? OR maybe they just RANDOMLY picked it to be shown there! You are racist to be thinking that they might be raicist, omg!

*winces*
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[personal profile] willow 2010-02-04 09:39 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm well aware my definition of racism is all wrong and too broad and I just want to make everyone white into a racist because I am 'angry'. Also I am turning anti-racism into a clique and fandom because what right do I, a non-Asian, have to be upset about an insult on Asian peoples.
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[personal profile] delfinnium 2010-02-04 09:52 pm (UTC)(link)
>.> I was being facetious and sarcastic....

But dear god some of the "it's not racist! they just couldn't find any asian/black/latino/arabian/poc actors who are GOOD ENOUGH, you're just ANGRY!" justifications are. Just...

nnnn.
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[personal profile] willow 2010-02-04 10:02 pm (UTC)(link)
>.> I was being facetious and sarcastic....

Yeah, I know. :)
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[personal profile] delfinnium 2010-02-04 11:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh good. :D I was worried a moment there. *fails at noticing sarcasm*

(... that icon. it is awesome)
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[personal profile] delfinnium 2010-02-04 11:15 pm (UTC)(link)
It's amazing - we Asians just ALWAYS seem to NEVER be around when you need a main hero character!