Learnings, get you some

[yeloson]

The recent rash of white identified POC saying black people have it easy? I'm not even going to dig deep in the archives - I'll just pull some quick links for you to think about.

AA Admits fare better than Legacy Admits
2009, Black mayor forced to resign by KKK
Crazed white folks go around shooting survivors of Katrina in militant paranoia
An interview with Jane Elliott
Tarika Wilson: another victim of police
Sundown Towns in the US

Comments

[bana05.livejournal.com]

*sighs*

[skywardprodigal.livejournal.com]

Thank you for the links.

Would you pm me with where there's a rash of white-identing poc writing that foolishness?

[yeloson.livejournal.com]

Rash being over the last 3 months, both on and offline. I've BEEN tired of it, but today was the last straw of foolishness.

[skywardprodigal.livejournal.com]

Ah, yes.

Um.

I think, I will repost a link to here, if that's all right with you.

*sigh*

When will all people subject to racism understand that white =/= right?

[yeloson.livejournal.com]

Well, you know, "White Supremacy: it's not just for white folks anymore!"

Link away. I was tempted to link to my whole delicious account, but I figured that would become tl:dr for people rather than "Oh hey! Maybe there's a historical and current precedent!"

[skywardprodigal.livejournal.com]

It never was. What are Wraith without Wraith worshippers?

[spacejaggy.livejournal.com]

Thanks for these links. I'm reading about the Sundown Towns (particularly in Oregon) and I'm stunned, though in retrospect probably I shouldn't be. I'm gonna pass these on.

[yeloson.livejournal.com]

A good friend and white ally of mine who moved up to Seattle had some interesting stories about the kinds of advice received from folks about "where to live" which scarily mirrored the old sundown rules up there.

You might also want to pick up Driven Out - a book on Chinese being run out of towns along the West Coast. I'm thinking about looking at the times/places where one group is run out vs. another, etc.

[spacejaggy.livejournal.com]

(Sorry in advance for the long comment.) I'll pick up Driven Out. I picked up a pack of "special reports" from Arizona's State Parks and a couple of them concern Chinese immigrants working on the railroad.

I'd like to see that times/places analysis because I want to do a times/places analysis for Portland. My mom told me my whole life that "evil racist realtors" were responsible for selling houses in only one section of the city to African Americans. White? Settle anywhere. Black? North Portland. While I was reading the Sundtown Towns introduction (http://www.uvm.edu/~jloewen/content/sundown-introduction.pdf) (PDF), I realized it wasn't just "the realtors" in doing it out of their own initiative but probably because Portland, like other bigger cities, couldn't keep blacks out. We're the biggest port on the Willamette River.

At some point, there had to have been directions given or rules put in place to restrict blacks from other areas of the city. Or incidents that make it clear. I'm gonna go looking because I grew up thinking "black people just want to hang out with other black people" because the attitudes of white adults seemed to be "well, if they wanted to move, they would, we're all enlightened liberals here in the green PacNW" ... which I know now is bullshit. So from what I've seen of well-meaning liberals, Sundown Towns make perfect sense to me.

Oregon history is so fucking depressing but, luckily, we had Racefail this year and it woke me up. You were a big part of that. Thanks again. :) Would you be interested in anything I dig up? Do you have any other particular references or recommendations?

[yeloson.livejournal.com]

I'd love to hear what you dig up.

You're probably going to find a lot of stuff directly on the deeds to homes- down here in Oakland there's a lot of property with specific limits on who can or can't own it. (These laws aren't -currently- enforced, but several of my friends joke that when the law does get enforced, they'll all lose their homes.)

[littlebutfierce]

The recent rash of white identified POC saying black people have it easy

WHAT. I am so glad I don't think I know what you're talking about. Holy crap, how fucking stupid can people be????

[sparkymonster.livejournal.com]

Let me just be helpful and say: don't look. It's not pretty.

[littlebutfierce]

Considering the headache I could've saved myself if someone had given me that advice about the transphobic ass-showing on 'feminist' blogs of late... I think I'll take your warning & run w/it!!

[yeloson.livejournal.com]

My biggest problem is the way in which folks who are uninformed set themselves up as authorities and then spread misinformation.

History. Current Events. They're documented and not hard to find.

[ladyjax.livejournal.com]

Holy crap, how fucking stupid can people be????

As long as they get ego strokes from white people (i.e. "You're not as meeen as those other PoC. You're rational!"), well...you see where I'm going with this.

[sparkymonster.livejournal.com]

But I thought white people were perfectly rational and the ultimate arbiters about racism. I AM SO CONFUSED NOW

[ladyjax.livejournal.com]

Go have a cocktail or two and it will all make sense, dear.

[littlebutfierce]

UGH. Yeah.

[delux-vivens.livejournal.com]

The recent rash of white identified POC saying black people have it easy?

I am particularly thrilled with white identified POC who have no qualms about using terminology, strategies, and theoretical frameworks that black folks have created but insist on waving their contempt and disdain for black folks high and proudly, and further somehow think that black folks are too stupid to figure out their contempt and hostility.

You may not be black but here's a news flash: you still arent white.

I want a cookie for not going snowflake hunting today with a motherfucking blowtorch.

[yeloson.livejournal.com]

Well, you know, if you switch the hate word of the month ("Orc", "Nithing", "Those People") no one will EVER figure it out, right?!?

Or maybe abstract to mixing cause and correlation of why some people are in certain conditions and produce blame-the-victim theories!

You know, because clearly the way to end racism is not content of character of what is being said, but the surface tone presented!

(And yes, cookies for not going there.)

[jolantru.livejournal.com]

*facepalm* :(