yeloson: (stop silencing us)
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The intellectually dishonest silencing tool in racism discussions* that we:

1. are polite
2. only talk about things that matter (as defined by someone else)
3. are inclusive of all the other possible things that matter (sexism, classism, ecological survival, etc.)
4. are educated enough to speak (as defined by someone else)
5. aren't SO educated that we're elitists in ivory towers
6. prove that we exist, and not as sockpuppets (to standards as decided by someone else)
7. prove that we are, in fact POC (as defined by someone else, to their standards)
8. answer everyone's objections, doubts, and questions, even if we already answered it and clearly this person either lacks the ability or the good faith to read for themselves, even if it is unrelated and completely unreasonable to answer in context of the question ("But unless you can tell me how many molecules are in this orange, slavery didn't happen!")
9. accept that the people demanding this are not held to the same requirements and simply automatically assumed to have authority to determine your legitimacy regardless of the fact that they may have never even heard of the subject in their entire lives.
10. and of course, prove TO COMPLETE STRANGERS ON THE INTERNET, all of the above AND that you are "doing something besides 'just complaining'

...in order for our words to be heard.

IF NOT ALL TEN, THEN TROLL, seems to be the Denial Subroutine in the Timecube OS of these people.

Of course, none of these people ever seem to be able to point to an example of someone who sufficiently meets their demands and therefore is a "legitimate" voice...

*These are silencing tactics and show up in other ways in other discussions too. But, you know, if you aren't just trying to roll in denial, I shouldn't have to point that out for the point to stay valid (#3)...

Date: 2009-05-23 08:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ithiliana.livejournal.com
Brilliant!

Goes to link so I can has handy a la [livejournal.com profile] sparkymonster Link Power!

Date: 2009-05-23 09:52 pm (UTC)

Date: 2009-05-23 10:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dharma-slut.livejournal.com

Of course, none of these people ever seem to be able to point to an example of someone who sufficiently meets their demands and therefore is a "legitimate" voice...


Oh, sure they can, usually dead people. Ghandi and MLK by preference. Ignoring of course, any context or any words to the contrary from those all-forgiving, ever-gentle, majority-reassuring (hah) men.

I always wish Ghandi and MLK could get up in their faces in person to give them the lie.

Date: 2009-05-23 10:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yeloson.livejournal.com
Yes, well, I always take those people as adding an 11th requirement:

11. Be dead

...which kinda brings the denial back round full circle to out and out white supremacists, right?

Date: 2009-05-23 10:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daedala.livejournal.com
What does Octavia Butler have to say about this?

Date: 2009-05-23 10:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dharma-slut.livejournal.com
She completely agrees with whatever they say-- just ask her!

*is in tears* I forgot to add OTB, I'm a baaad feminist!

Date: 2009-05-23 10:42 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] fifi-bonsai.livejournal.com
12. turn the other cheek or both cheeks and maybe bend over
13. be mind readers in order to gauge motivations: intentional racism or accidental oopsy pardon me racism


But I suppose WP would include that in "be polite."

Date: 2009-05-23 11:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yeloson.livejournal.com
Well, you know, we're supposed to have Jedi powers to read minds AND call them "master", right?

Date: 2009-05-23 10:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] laurashapiro.livejournal.com
This is perfect.

Date: 2009-05-23 10:59 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] tablesaw
IF NOT ALL TEN, THEN TROLL, seems to be the Denial Subroutine in the Timecube OS of these people.
It takes so much time, you need all four simultaneous days.

Date: 2009-05-23 11:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yeloson.livejournal.com
Well, Mr. Timecube himself said that Obama being elected would lead to white people rioting and causing a racewar to begin the Apocalypse...

Date: 2009-05-23 11:13 pm (UTC)

Date: 2009-05-24 12:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jolantru.livejournal.com
Good one! :)

Date: 2009-05-24 01:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seitzk.livejournal.com
Awesome, and painfully apt.

Date: 2009-05-24 01:35 am (UTC)

Date: 2009-05-24 02:47 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] the-willow.insanejournal.com (from livejournal.com)
1. are polite
2. only talk about things that matter (as defined by someone else)
3. are inclusive of all the other possible things that matter (sexism, classism, ecological survival, etc.)
4. are educated enough to speak (as defined by someone else)
5. aren't SO educated that we're elitists in ivory towers
6. prove that we exist, and not as sockpuppets (to standards as decided by someone else)
7. prove that we are, in fact POC (as defined by someone else, to their standards)
8. answer everyone's objections, doubts, and questions, even if we already answered it and clearly this person either lacks the ability or the good faith to read for themselves, even if it is unrelated and completely unreasonable to answer in context of the question ("But unless you can tell me how many molecules are in this orange, slavery didn't happen!")
9. accept that the people demanding this are not held to the same requirements and simply automatically assumed to have authority to determine your legitimacy regardless of the fact that they may have never even heard of the subject in their entire lives.
10. and of course, prove TO COMPLETE STRANGERS ON THE INTERNET, all of the above AND that you are "doing something besides 'just complaining'

Well crap. No wonder I"m the crazy black women. I only got one out of ten. Oh wait, didn't someone call me ARCANE? That takes care of

5. aren't SO educated that we're elitists in ivory towers

Date: 2009-05-24 07:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yeloson.livejournal.com
But wait, did you PROVE your POC-ness to the White Board of Racial Definitions?

The One Drop Rule and Paper Bag Test seem to apply until it's convenient not to- don't forget the "Is Obama actually black?" media rush before his nomination to the Dems...

I'm sure if you say something too sensible in the "proper tone" your POC identity online will be revoked because you'll secretly be a white CIA sockpuppet...

Date: 2009-05-24 04:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oneshysistah.livejournal.com
Heh. This needs to be cross-posted all over the interwebz!!

Date: 2009-05-24 04:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] m-bagnold.livejournal.com
yes. this.

(sorry, this is an r.p. journal. i'm [personal profile] toujours_nigel, here from [personal profile] ithiliana's journal)

Date: 2009-05-24 05:07 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] kaiz.livejournal.com
This post is made of 100% pure awesome! :-)

Date: 2009-05-24 07:19 am (UTC)

Date: 2009-05-24 03:35 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] abydosangel.livejournal.com
Yes. This.

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